GROUP 4
(Haplotype K)
ANALYSIS OF PARTICIPANT DATA
This group will remain intact until we locate more participants and better define the actual DNA of this line. Kit #4010 was submitted by one of the foremost researchers of this line, and two of 4010's mismatches are considered fast mutating DYS, but when you consider that none of the participants who claim lineage to Isaac Hill, Sr. match perfectly with each other, it suggests strongly that #4010 and #4712 need the complete 37 Marker test. Participant #12685 shows the mismatches rather than the others because his lineage claim is not to Isaac Hill, Sr. Participant 8504 (not grouped here) remains in the list of Unmatched Participants, and claims to be a descendant of this Isaac Hill Sr., but is of a completely different haplotype than the above participants. Participant 4847 is of a completely different surname, yet matches perfectly with 4712 (there were related MITCHELLs to the Isaac Hill, Sr. family). More family research needs to be done to substantiate the lineage claims made by these participants, more participants need to be added to this group, and full 37 marker tests should be ordered by all these participants.
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Letter from FTDNA, sent on November 28, 2006:
Hello Byron,
I have taken a look at the results for group 4 and while there are some mutations, I think the grouping is correct. To demonstrate how the members results match up using the tools from Family Tree DNA, I created a subgroup for the results, using the Members subgrouping link at the bottom of the GAP Menu and created one group from your Group 4, and then viewed the results in the Colorized chart. You can still see the results of this by clicking on the Y-DNA Colorized Chart. The system automatically defines the modal haplotype and highlights the differences from this modal haplotype. The differences highlighted by this rendering show the way we would make this comparison.
The grouping is very similar to what you have provided on the website with a few exceptions. I would say that all of these men shared a common male ancestor within a recent time frame. They all belong to a haplogroup, K2, which we do not find very often and it is very unlikely for them to have this haplogroup and to not have shared a common male ancestor within a recent time frame.
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Have a nice day,
Catherine McDonald
Family Tree DNA
www.familytreedna.com
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Posted Feb. 28, 2007
Group 4 has a sponsor willing to fund a 37 Marker test for any HILL seeking a connection to
Isaac Albert Hill. Some reasonable lineage information may be required for approval.
Contact: Charles at:
Cas25@cableone.net-------------------------------
KIT 4712 & 4010 & 33469: ISAAC HILL, Sr. b/22 Jul 1748 (place unproven), d/28 Jul 1825, Warren Co., TN, m1/1772 Martin Co., Halifax District, NC to Lucinda WALLACE b/1746 St. Mary's Co., MD, d/23 Sep 1798 Edgecombe Co., NC. Children: (1) Elizabeth b/aft. 1772 NC, d/bef. 1850, m/Mitchell WATKINS, b/c 1745 Edgecombe Co., NC, d/1845 Washington Co., GA. (2) Henry John Alexander, b/7 Feb 1774 Edgecombe Co., NC, d/1 Aug 1825 Warren Co., TN, m/6 Jan 1796 Edgecombe Co., NC to Susannah SWALES b/31 Dec 1767 St. Mary's Co., MD, d/23 Sept 1846 Warren Co., TN. Henry also had another woman who bore him six children during the same time he was married to Susannah, named Polly JOHNSTON b/19 Jan 1787, d/18 Apr 1870 Warren Co., TN. (3) Mary Ann b/1775 NC, m/Thomas WEBB b/1770 NC. (4) Lucinda "Lucy" b/6 Jul 1778 NC, d/c1858, m/bef. 1804 TN to Etheldred "Dred" MAY. (5) Martha b/1779 NC, m/David MORGAN. (6) Isaac, Jr. b/1781 NC, d/1809 Hillsboro, Jasper Co., GA., m/in AL to Angeline Penelope CLARK. (7) Lawrence b/c1782 NC, d/1819 Monticello, Jasper Co., GA, m/ 7 Mar 1811 Monticello, Jasper Co., GA to Betsy GOODWIN. (8) Wright b/16 Oct 1782 Edgecombe Co., NC, d/16 Apr 1848 St. Clair Co., MO, m1/bef 1818 to Unk. Wife, m2/ bet. 1818-1820 to Frances CHRISTIAN b/6 Dec 1795, d/20 Feb 1872 St. Clair Co., MO. (9) Benjamin J. b/1783 Granville Co., NC, d/May 1852 Warren Co., TN, m/c1802 Warren Co., TN to Rebecca WALLACE b/1783 SC. (10) Asa b/1784 Edgecombe Co., NC, d/18 Jul 1844 Gay Hill, Washington Co., TX, m/3 Oct 1811 in Sparta, Hancock Co., GA, to Elizabeth BARKSDALE b/3 Jan 1795 Hancock Co., GA, d/28 Jan 1883 Gonzales Co., TX. (11) John J. b/30 Sep 1785 Edgecombe Co., NC, d/20 Jul 1848 Troup Co., GA, m/27 Nov 1806 in Jasper Co., GA to Sarah Henrietta PARHAM b/19 Dec 1790 Baldwin Co., GA, d/16 Jan 1854 Troup Co., GA. (12) Whitmel b/1789 NC, d/1829 Warren Co., TN, m1/Unk, m2/8 Dec 1812 to Elizabeth FOREMAN b/c 1780 NC, d/1863 Calhoun Co., AL, m3/Biddie CHRISTIAN. (13) Allen (Rev.) b/27 Nov 1792 Bertie Co., NC, d/4 Jan 1874 Clark Co., AR, m1/1811 Jasper Co., GA to Annie PARHAM b/c1794 GA, d/c1851 Chickasaw Co., MS, m2/4 Apr 1855 in MS to Hepsiba Prewitt BAILEY b/1 Jul 1798 TN, d/aft 1870 Clark Co., AR. (14) Sarah Hill b/1797 NC, m/Sylvanous KNIGHT. Isaac Hill (1748-1825) m2/ Lydia White Jones HILL, widow of Hugh Jones and William Hill, respectively.
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 4712:
Isaac HILL, Sr. (1748 - 1825)
Abraham Webb (1784 NC - 1844 TX)
William C. J. HILL (1811 GA - 1897 TX)
John C. C. HILL (1880 TX - 1945 TX)
James J. HILL (1921 TX - living)
Contact Loy Burgess at: loyb@prodigy.net
Family Website: www.geocities.com/abackwardglance
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 4010:
Isaac HILL, Sr. (1748 - 1825)
John J. HILL (1785 - 1848)
Allen C. HILL (1826 - 1894)
John P. HILL (1851 - 1922)
William A. HILL (1878 - 1938)
Paul T. HILL (1913 - 1979)
John Paul HILL (1940 - living)
Contact: White7sand@aol.com
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 33469:
Isaac HILL, Sr. (1748 - 1825)
Asa Hill (1784, NC-1843/TX/) married Elizabeth Barksdale (1808 GA- TX).
Jeffrey Barksdale Hill (1816, GA-1901 TX) married Mary Harrison ( -1903 TX)William T. Hill (1857TX-1929 TX) married (no records found?) Felicitas Gonzales (Mexico-1952-TX)
Tomas P Hill (Gonzales-mother’s maiden name) (1907 Mexico-1964-TX) married Rosa Pulido (1905 Mexico-1972 TX)
Tom P Hill Jr (1934 TX-2003 TX) married Mary Louise Cardenas (1935 TX-)
Tom P. Hill III (1958 TX-)
Contact: Rose Ward: rosemary.ward@swri.org
KIT 12685: WILLIAM HILL b/1782(?), d/bef 1860 Jackson Co., Al., m1/to Elizabeth (?) Hill b/1785 NC, d/aft 1860 TN (Paint Rock) Jackson Co., AL. One known child: Absalom William b/1818 Jackson Co., AL, d/bef 1870 Jackson Co, AL. m/Caroline (?) Hill b/1819, Jackson Co, AL. Children (all b/Jackson Co., AL): (1) George Washington, b/1843, d/(?), m/9 Mar 1862 to Frances GADDES (d/o James and Sally Gaddes), (2) Elvada Lydia, b/1845 m/16 Feb 1863 to William GRAHAM, (3) Margaret RIDDIEL b/1847, m1/27 Dec 1867 to Thomas D. FANNING, m2/4 Feb 1873 to Joseph BELL, (4) William L. b/May 1850, m/15 dEC 1880 TO Adie C. Allis HARRIS, (5) Benjamin b/1852, (6) John Anderson b/1-6-1854, d/9 Apr 1937, Henderson,Rusk Co., TX, (7) A. Wallace b/1859
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 12685:
William HILL (1782 Al - ????.)
Absalom William HILL (1818 Al.- ????)
George Washington HILL (1843 Al.- ????)
James Forest HILL (1864 Al.- 1953 Tx.)
James J. HILL (1901 TX - 1943 Ok)
Ples James HILL (1921 OK - 1989 OK)
Corwyn Leroy HILL (1953 WA - living)
Contact: chronically_im@yahoo.com
KIT 4847: FRANKLIN MITCHELL, b/1855 NC, d/bet 1910-1920, m1/1876 Wayne Co., NC to Seany JAMES b/1862 WCNC. Children: (1) John M. b/1877 WCNC, (2) Myrtie b/1878 WCNC; m2/ to Sarah J. JAMES? b/1856 Duplin Co., NC; m3/Margaret EASTERIDGE b/1860 Ashe Co., NC, Children: (1) Joseph b/c1886 NC, (2) Claude b/c1890 NC, (3) Donna A. b/c1896 NC.
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 4847:
Franklin MITCHELL (1855 NC - ????)
John M. MITCHELL (1877 NC - 1957 NC)
Earle L. MITCHELL (1906 NC - 1983 NY)
Daniel E. MITCHELL (1935 NY - living)
Contact: D. E. Mitchell
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 50790:
John M. Hill b.c. 1812 SC d.1870
Roland Lonnie Hill b1858 AR, d.1916 Pulaski Co, GA.
Allison Roland Hill 1896 d 1982 Bleckley Co. GA
James Roland Hill b 1921 living Bleckley Co. GA
William Roland Hill b 1952 living Bleckley Co. GA
KIT 77113:
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 77113:
Isaac Albert Hill (1790-1868)
John Mack Hill (1842-1923)
Wiley Benjamin Hill (1881-1954)
Wiley Benjamin Hill, Jr (1913-2000)
Wiley Benjamin Hill, III (Living)
Contact: margmarieh@cox.net, or cas25@cableone.net
KIT #119994 Jesse C. Hill, is thought to be the son of Nathaniel Hill and Moriah Flowers (1860 Darlington census). This census shows Nathaniel Hill was born in NC and lists other children as I. Hill, Samuel Hill, Ren Hill and Robert Hill. Moriah Flowers was Nathaniel Hill's 2nd wife.
Nathaniel Hill was born about 1794/95 in NC (according to 1860 census). He married Sarah (Sally) Odum. He and Sally lived in York Co, SC and is listed on the 1840 census. Sally died about 1840/41 and he moved to Darlington, SC leaving some of his older children in York Co, SC His sons William E Hill and Nathaniel Hill, Jr are in the 1850 and 1860 census of York Co, SC. Children of Nathaniel and Sally were Joel Hill, William E. Hill, Nathaniel Hill, Jr., James Hill, Jacob Hill, Ahas or Alias Hill, Lucinda Hill, Sarah Hill and Salome Hill. The names of these children were written in a letter in 1933 by James Franklin Hill living in Birmingham, Alabama and who was a son of William E. Hill. He also wrote that he had been told that Nathaniel Hill's father was Joel Hill.
Direct paternal lineage of DNA participant 119994 (proven with death records):
Jesse C. Hill (born 1851-53 in SC married Susanna James)
Jesse Edward Hill (born 1881 Darlington, SC & died 1947 - married Lula Ella Blackman in Darlington)
Robbie Lee Hill (born 1911 Darlington, SC married Vesta Juanita Bounds in 1933)
Kline Nathaniel Hill (born 1940 Ft. Moultrie, SC - Living)
Contact: Fran Harris Hill fhhill@yahoo.com